Why DeFi Is Still Crypto's Only Real Product Market-Fit with Kenny Li

The era of "build it and they will come" is over.

Crypto projects need real revenue, real users, and real sustainability. Or they just won't survive.

In this episode, we chat with Kenny from Manta about the shift happening in the industry. No longer are we just experimenting; it's all about finding product-market fit. We dig into why DeFi is still crypto's biggest use case, how L2s are slowly becoming irrelevant, and why starting with centralized products might just be the answer to mass onchain adoption.

Kenny explains why projects should think like Robin Hood instead of pure web3 natives, shares Manta's evolution from Polkadot L1 to Ethereum L2, and breaks down how revenue generation is reshaping builder mindsets across the space.

Let's get into it.

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